Here we go! Strokes in parenthesis:
Round 1 - Four Ball
(80% of course handicap, played off the lowest cap in each group)
Men - WHITE (70.4/130) ; Katie - RED (69.3/123)
Match 1 - Katie (11) / Greg (4) vs. Chandler (0) / Robbie (3)
Match 2 - Darren (4) / Tall Mike (5) vs. Buchert (0) / JW (7)
Match 3 - John (0) / Brendan (6) vs. Reid (1) / Geoff (9)
Match 4 - Dave (0) / Mike H. (2) vs. Gary (6) / Gorecki (18)
Round 2 - Chapman (Alt Shot)
(60% of course handicap for low cap, 40% for high cap. Played off the lowest team cap in each group)
Men - BLUE (68.2/117) ; Katie - RED (66.9/109)
Match 5 - Darren/Katie (8) vs. Chandler/Buchert (0)
Match 6 - John/Greg (0) vs. Gary/Reid (0)
Match 7 - Dave/Tall Mike (0) vs. Geoff/Robbie (6)
Match 8 - Brendan/Mike H. (0) vs. JW/Gorecki (10)
Round 3 - Singles
(80% of course handicap, played off the lowest cap in each match)
Men - DARK GRAY/GREEN (70.2/127) ; Katie - WHITE/SILVER (69.1/129)
Match 9 - Dave (0) vs. Gorecki (17)
Match 10 - Mike H. (0) vs. Robbie (3)
Match 11 - Katie (9) vs. Reid (0)
Match 12 - John (3) vs. Buchert (0)
Match 13 - Greg (1) vs. Gary (0)
Match 14 - Tall Mike (0) vs. JW (2)
Match 15 - Brendan (0) vs. Geoff (4)
Match 16 - Darren (5) vs. Chandler (0)
In individual match play, I wonder why the USGA uses just the two players' Course Handicaps to calculate the number of strokes given to the player with the higher handicap rather than the spread between the two players' Course Handicaps. It seems to me that using the spread between the Course Handicaps would provide a more accurate way of "handicapping" a head to head match.
ReplyDeleteFor example, if Player 1 has an index of 11.8 and Player 2 has an index of 13.8 and they are playing a course with a Slope of...lets say...127, then Player 1 would get 13 strokes and Player 2 would get 16 strokes in a normal stroke play event (i.e. a 3 stroke difference). In match play, you reduce both players' Course Handicaps by 80%, which brings Player 1's strokes down to 10.4 and Player 2's strokes down to 12.8. Player 1 therefore gets rounded down to 10 strokes and Player 2 gets rounded up to 13 strokes. Player 2 still gets 3 strokes on Player 1. However, when using the 80% reduction, the spread between the two players' Course Handicaps would be reduced from 3 strokes down to 2.4 strokes. Using the spread between the Course Handicaps would result in Player 2 only getting 2 strokes versus Player 1.
Wouldn't using this method better achieve the goal of accurately handicapping a head to head match up since the players are facing off against each other and not the rest of the field?
I have no idea what this would do to my match up against Big John; no idea at all.
Buchert sounds scared...he still wins 3&2 or better as I don't play nearly as well as him after 3 days of boozing.
ReplyDeleteLots to digest here.
ReplyDeleteYeah that's an interesting way to think about the spread. Not sure off the top of my head I could definitively say it's a "better" way to accurately handicap. I guess they feel the spread is the ends, and not the means. Reduce each course index by "XX%" first and then see where everything falls out.
The USGA actually leaves allowances up to the individual club/committee, and some places only give 50%! The lower the allowance, the harder it is for a high handicap to win.
The 3rd handicapped hole at Black Diamond is #9. It's a pretty intimidating tee shot. John will probably hit it in the water so no worries there.
I'm certainly not suggesting that we change anything, especially not this close to the Rapture. This is also VERY obvious, but I think we should continue to use the USGA's Rules rather than my random musings.
ReplyDeleteI was just "thinking out loud." The USGA has probably put a lot more thought into it than I have. However, if the USGA ever provides question and answer mailbag like our esteemed Commissioner, then I'll have to remember to ask.
The thought of losing to John does scare me...
Yeah I know. Just a method I've never considered, so it was an interesting thought.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of... we need another mailbag.
It's interesting to see the 16th hole of black diamond is the 2nd hardest hole with it being only 300 yards from the Tee.
ReplyDelete317 yards for us. Tee shot is about 75 feet down to a narrow fairway with the quarry lake on the left, and cliffs/bunkers on the right. Tiny green half-surrounded by water.
ReplyDeleteBut this might be a good spot for me to explain how the handicapping of holes works. It's not technically the 2nd "hardest." You've probably played courses where by far the hardest hole is NOT in the top 5 handicapped.
The reason is... courses are supposed to re-rate every 5 years or so. The process requires them to collect cards from members, and analyze the difference in scores of "scratch" golfers and "bogey" golfers (both defined by the USGA) per hole.
The biggest gap in average score between those two groups is the #1 handicap. The biggest gap on the other side of the course is #2. And so on.
A lot of times you'll have a hole that scratch golfers can easily birdie, but bogey golfers average over bogey. This is why the top 4 handicapped holes are usually par 5s.
Not sure if any of this makes sense... but the point is they attempt to give you strokes on the holes you really NEED them on to compete against a scratch player.
No it makes since and I should of clarified #2 handicap hole as I remember that reasoning... but this brings up another question.... do you think short holes like this that are top 5 handicaps at courses play harder for the bogey golfer because they just try to bomb a driver and go OB instead of playing smart as a scratch golfer and going 6I PW or something less than driver off a tee? Makes you think why some holes play harder via the handicap system when they don't seem very hard.
ReplyDeleteYeah, course management is probably the main reason seemingly easy holes play difficult for bogey golfers.
ReplyDeleteIf Gorecki hits 3 pitching wedges on #16, he can two putt for a net par and probably beat Dave on the hole. But he's going to hit driver instead and make an 8.
Hey Commish, isn't #16 the hole with the blind teeshot up & over the quarry rim? I have nightsweats about that teeshot...how about you McDrippy?
ReplyDeleteYou know I think you are correct. Forget everything I said.
ReplyDeleteYep, #16 is the hardest hole on the course. It won't give me night sweats though. I will already be sweating......
ReplyDeleteChandler is going to destroy you.
ReplyDeleteWhy the hate Dub?
ReplyDeleteBecause you're on the other team. And we're tired of your War of Northern Aggression.
ReplyDeleteIn honor of my wife's office lottery pool, here are some quick picks. Please, God, let us win this lottery. I need way more time on the range to get my handicap down into the teens.
ReplyDeleteChandler and Robbie over Katie and Greg - Chandler will prove his value as a first round pick through the smoke of this otherwise dazed and confused foursome.
Buchert and Dub over Darren and Tall Mike - Buchert will carry the team, but Dub contributes a couple well timed pars to seal the deal with a few holes to go.
Brendan and Big John over Geoff and Reid - barely, but Big John hits a clutch birdie on a 30 footer to close out Geoff's par on a non-stroke hole.
Dave and Mike H over Gary and Gorecki - Gorecki has a rough start to the weekend and Dave will be all Magnersed up. Gary regrets picking gray when he sees it all run together with Gorecki's hair.
Chandler and Buchert over Katie and Darren - Darren continues his weekend woes as Katie searches online for a Big John voodoo doll
Reid and Gary over Big John and Greg - Greg goes wild off the tee and Big John can't recover. Reid finds a Gary drive thought errant and heroically hits it close to the hole for at least one point.
Brendan and Mike H over Dub and Gorecki - too many pars to keep up with.
Dave over Gorecki - Gorecki shoots around 100, but Dave goes really low and makes birdies where they count to offset those ten strokes.
Robbie over Mike H - he goes full Robot and shoots mid 70's while Mike is busy watching hockey videos on YouTube.
Katie over Reid - afterwards they'll compare outfits.
Buchert over Big John - it's gonna smell and be very bloody.
Gary over Greg - Gary gets consistent and uses previous course knowledge to take the match.
Tall Mike over Dub - it's gonna be close, but Dub ends a disappointing weekend late thanks to Mike getting several pars on the back.
Geoff over Brendan - Brendan loses his hat Saturday night and can't stay cool during the Sunday round.
Chandler over Darren - Darren is forced to return his black diamond hat, drippy as it may be, after Chandler lays the wood to him like Big John to... nevermind.
There you have it, folks. The Garyatrics beat the Kitties 9-7 (I think. Not editing or checking the accuracy of this duff). Can't wait to get on the course in Friday. I'm gonna get hammered drunk.