The overall theme of the meeting was the Board's desire to reinforce that the Club and weekly league events should be your "biggest priority." Obviously other obligations come up from time to time. But in general... we should be viewed as a serious organization.
This isn't at all related to anyone specific. We just want it to be the basis of any policy changes.
So anyway... every decision was unanimous unless otherwise noted:
Membership
Crum passed the initial Board approval vote 4-1. In the next couple of weeks I'll email a ballot to everyone for his Club approval. Assuming he gets enough votes, he'll be an official member next season.
Two members were brought up for removal from the Club due to conduct. In order to begin that procedure, we needed four affirmative votes:
Gorecki's removal failed 2 - 3.
Brendan's removal failed 0 - 5.
Tee Boxes
The Board decided to not make an official ruling on tee boxes. The "set-up committee" will continue to allow whatever tee boxes they see fit. We felt applying some strict definition of what is allowable would only complicate the issue if an anomaly arose down the road (conditions, a players physical limitations, etc). So each tournament we will continue to list the approved tee boxes... and you can choose any from that list.
Handicap Allowance Changes
We are not going to adjust any of the handicap allowances at this time. But if JW or Brendan win any more events, then we will revisit.
Max Scores
We decided the +5 max is working, and didn't feel the need make any changes. Moving to +6 or 10 max on every hole was discussed. But +5's seem like a good number for now.
Ties for 1st Place
Everyone on the Board dislikes ties for first place. However, everyone was also against moving to a "scorecard tiebreaker." We felt it was too subjective, random, and didn't make the subsequent victory feel "earned." The only acceptable solution would be sudden-death playoffs... but that's not possible for various reasons (some courses wouldn't let us, many of you people don't stick around afterwards, etc). Ultimately, we convinced ourselves that ties for 1st place actually make the overall season standings tighter, and thus better.
Penalty for WDs and DQs
We wanted to make an official decision on this, since multiple scenarios have happened:
WD before the day of event (midnight): No penalty. Keep your money. Get called a "Gorecki."
WD the morning of an event (after midnight): No pitchers owed, but your entry fee goes to the Club.
No-Show: No pitchers owed. Your entry fee stays in the pot for the tournament.
WD/DQ during a round: Entry fee stays in the pot. You get 1 net stroke added to your current score per hole remaining in order to determine owed pitchers. So if you are +9 at the turn and decide to quit, you'll be considered +18 and owe one pitcher. This is severely less penal than what we've been doing. You're welcome.
The Board also keeps the ability to waive any penalties depending on your situation.
Greenies on Par 4s
If you drive a green and two putt, you get a greenie.
Waste Bunker Sandies
If a waste bunker is next to a green, and you get up-and-down for par or better, then you get a sandie. You all know what "up-and-down" means. Don't come to me saying you two-putted and want it to count.
Winter Season
There will not be an official Winter Season. Enjoy your time off. Sports are back. Everyone is encourage to host an event. Don't text Dear Leader asking him to set something up. Make a post, book some tee times, and let's play! If anyone wants to post but doesn't know how, let us know.
Bailing on Match Play
If someone WDs before the day of play, we'll re-shuffle the field and pairings.
If someone WDs the morning of or no-shows (see penalties above), then they get an official Match Play loss... and their opponent gets an official win and the 100 points that accompany it. This is a change from how we've handled it in the past.
Entry Fees for Skipped Events
We are not changing our current policy. If you skip an event (with proper notice), you do not get charged an entry fee.
Penalty for Arriving Late
This was a lively discussion, not because we all disagreed... but because it's very difficult to create an enforceable rule. John summed it up as: "We are all adults," meaning this shouldn't even be a thing. Yet, here we are. The Board voted to implement two new policies:
1) All players are expected to be at the course, checked in, and ready to play by the FIRST posted tee time.
2) If your group tees off without you, then you'll receive a max score for each hole until you re-join the group.
Yes, we are aware the last group could tee off 30-ish minutes after the first group. So you're more than welcome to roll the dice that we don't go out early. We just don't see how arriving at the very last possible second does anyone any good. It only leads to your group-mates having to delay their round.
Here are some real-life examples from last season:
- Tall Mike was the last person to arrive at Cheval. His group (A) was supposed to go out first, but ended up having to slide back to the third spot. This would be OK as long as it's before the first posted time (we went out slightly early). But once the first posted time arrives, Group A is allowed to tee off without him. Moostie would get the max on every hole where he didn't tee off with his group.
- Tall Mike (Group E) showed up extremely late to Waterlefe. Well past the first posted tee time, and even past his group's unofficial tee time. They graciously waited on him. Under the new policy, they can still do that... or they can leave him and make him take the max for each hole missed. So if you're running late, call your group and give them a sob story.
- Tall Mike (Group C) was on the putting green when his group teed off at Esplanade. Gorecki physically drove back to get him while the rest of us stood in the fairway. Under the new policy, Moostie would have received a max 9 for the hole, and Gorecki would have won the season!
Although generally slow-moving and sedentary, moose can become aggressive and move quickly if angered or startled...hence, the "Moostie Rule".
ReplyDeleteI'm glad I could help support the late arrival discussion with some real-life examples. I have no major issue with any of the two new rules, but I will voice opposition to a scenario where someone shows up before the first tee time, is checked in, and ready to play, BUT their group has already teed off (early) AND they are penalized. Sounds like that was accounted for in your first Cheval example where that group would have to wait to until the first posted tee time and then could take off?
ReplyDeleteNow for the obligatory commentary and sob stories for the three examples you provided:
Ex 1. Cheval - First tee time 10:00am - My arrival 9:53am (paid/checked in by 9:57am) - Arrival at tee box 10:01am. Sob story: Google Maps tried to send me to the back entrance of the neighborhood. I figured out it was trying to button-hook me half way past the main entrance and half way to the other entrance. Since I wasn't sure if guests could get in at the other entrance, I pulled a U-ie and backtracked. Would have made been at the tee box by 9:55am otherwise (which I'll be the first to tell you isn't early enough), but like you said, we tee'd off a little early and my group had to wait. Casey was not happy.
Ex 3. Esplanade - Yeah, I was putting 150 ft from the tee box, but couldn't see around the bush and palm tree to notice my group was teeing off. That's on me. My bad.
Ex 2. Waterlefe - I'm glad you brought this up because I take very strong exception to this example, not just for that particular day, but for all events going forward.
First tee time 10:12am - My arrival 10:19am - At tee box 10:22am. It's important to note that I was in the LAST group, which was the 5th tee time. Most courses schedule tee times 9 minutes apart, which would have made my actual tee time close to 10:57am. I was also driving from Innisbrook (1hr 20min drive), but having played 5 rounds in the previous 3 days, I had no intention of warming up and thought a 10:25am showtime would have been more than sufficient.
Thankfully, Gorecki was kind enough to call me on my way there and give me the heads up you guys were teeing off early so I broke some speed limits the rest of the way. He was also nice enough to pay for me so I wouldn't have to check in and the group did graciously wait a few minutes for me to get there. (Thanks again guys)
Personally, I thought this was pretty ridiculous that the actual tee time ended up being more than 35 mins earlier than what it should have been. Fortunately I wasn't actually counting on there being 9 minutes between tee times, but showing up ready to play 7 minutes after the fist scheduled tee time when you are in the 5th group is not even close to egregious. At the time I was actually pretty pissed off.
While I wasn't there by the first tee time, I was by no means "extremely late". My main point here is that I don't think we should be expected to factor in having to be warmed up, ready to play, 30 or more minutes ahead of our tee time either. Especially if we are playing a course over an hour away and some people are working around family schedules.
Getting back to your general theme of treating the league as your "biggest priority", I would suggest most people are making sacrifices to do that, but several could do much better. Hell, last season, I had to arrange for day care just so I could make it to two of the events. I also take enough shit from the wife (a pregnant one at that - so that has to be worse right?) and dish enough shit back all year long to maintain enough power to ensure I made it to all 9 events in the summer - but it paid off. So I would encourage my fellow comrades to keep fighting the good fight.
*Many thanks to the big tech companies using my phone and app data for nefarious purposes. I was able to verify all aforementioned arrival times via their somewhat useful apps.
I love everything about Tall Mike’s response. Assuming Moostie’s times are correct... which I trust... then the new policies only come into play for example 3. The other two are of no issue.
ReplyDeleteDoesn’t mean the new policies aren’t necessary.
Our job isn’t to manage whatever personal hurdles anyone has. I can sympathize. But don’t take away from other people’s experience. That’s on you to figure out how not to be a burden.
Also keep in mind we have TWO Board members with growing families that are making sacrifices. JW and John were big drivers of all the decisions!
Also, Gorecki’s text to me bitching about Tall Mike at Waterlefe says:
ReplyDelete“Call me at 10:22 saying he was in the parking lot. The starter met him out there w a cart and I paid for him ahead. He took no responsibility saying we were group e and first tee time wasn’t until 10:12“
So according to MY receipts, you weren’t “at tee box 10:22”. You were in the parking lot. And hadn’t checked in. So penalty would have applied then too.
TWO Board members! Haha..Nice touch.
ReplyDeleteWell, for starters, the starter did not meet me out there with a cart. I ran my bag in from the parking lot and the starter had the cart waiting for me just in front of the practice putting green/cart return area, where I drove straight the the tee box. All I know with certainty is the arrival time was 10:19 and I have an Google Maps showing me move from the parking lot to what is maybe the cart area, maybe the tee box area, who knows..for 3 minutes, ending at 10:22, which seems reasonable. I'll send you a screen shot just so you know I'm not making up numbers here to prove a point.
Not arguing whether the penalty would have applied in this scenario, that's a given. I showed up after the first tee time. Just providing some context to the "extremely late" comment, as well as Gorecki saying I took no responsibility. I take complete responsibility. My main point of contention, is we shouldn't be expected to tee off 35+ minutes before our scheduled tee time.
The only glaring fact going against my arguement is that everyone else (out of 5 groups!) was ready to play early - so I'm clearly in the wrong.
I don't agree with the phrasing of "biggest priority." I totally understand the desire to help with kids or do things around the house to help to make it easier on your wife and that pushing out the departure time. That's exactly why I put in the buffer of saying my tee time is the first tee time. And I need to arrive 10-15 minutes before that tee time knowing that will give me the time to check in and get right to the tee box and maybe even apply some sunscreen. If we get pushed back, maybe I can roll some putts or perhaps hit a couple range balls. If we go out early, I'm there and ready to at least be there when the planned tee time is.
ReplyDeleteIt's not just for golf, it's for seeing folks and making this a club instead of just 5 disparate tee times for random golfers.
Boo on the tee box decision.
ReplyDeletePenalties for WDs and DQs - can you elaborate further on money goes to the club vs money stays in the pot? Where does this club money go? Also to clarify, we are now paying for Wasties and Sandies. Waste bunkers are not the same as sand bunkers. Can we add Gulpies and Woodies too?
ReplyDeleteThe real "adult" move would be to tell the golf course that we have 5 tee times all scheduled at a specified time and we are going to abide by that schedule.
ReplyDeleteIf I am in Group 5 and the first tee time is at 9:00 am, I can plan on getting there at 9:10 am and have plenty of time to check in, hit a few putts, and tee off. In my world, the adults follow the schedule that has been set. We don't hold a trial or hearing 30 minutes earlier than scheduled just because the previous case settled or didn't take as long as expected.
To say that moving tee times up by 25 to 30 minutes the morning of an event without sufficient notice is an "adult" move is absurd. This is a Rule passed by a 5 Board Members that have clearly lost touch with reality. I move to immediately replace the current Board with a three person Board consisting of Gorecki, Tall Mike, and the empathetic Brendan.
Hopefully, the sarcasm came through in that post. I have no problem if I'm hit with a few max holes. The Rules have been set by the Board, everyone has had a chance to read them, and it's on each individual player to govern themselves accordingly. Thank you to the Board for taking the time to discuss these issues. I am obviously in the minority on some of the issues (handicap allowances), but I do appreciate the fact that you guys addressed the issues and are trying to make the League better.
Half boo on the club dues policy.
ReplyDelete$1 for floppies!
ReplyDeleteI think Floppies have already been established at $250...
ReplyDeleteWell played, Gary.
ReplyDeleteWhen will the board pass the new dress code, so I can wear my T.M. Hoodie?
ReplyDeleteThe WD/DQ rules were put in place due the actions of one golfer and we all know who it is. The hope is that just the threat will get the desired result, and if it does not, we now have some consequences. The biggest concern is that one person's actions were ultimately impacting the other 3 people in their group and in some cases the entire league. We struggled to find a uniform rule regarding what meant late to your tee time. Not all courses have 10 minute tee times, not all courses start with a run of the mill par 4, etc. If this proves to be an issue we can adjust the rules down the road and the board ultimately has final say on whether the penalty will be assessed based on circumstances.
ReplyDeleteReid, currently the club adheres to local dress codes, but you bring up a great point about how we should probably be more stringent in the future. Thanks.
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